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Monday, August 21, 2006

Fabulous

More Wall of Shame:

It's wierd, but I think maybe some ex-pats and Libertarians don't like me. From the comments on Prettier than Napolean:
can't say i much care for her either since i think she's generalized grossly and inaccurately. she sounds pretty ignorant and short-tempered. not so different from those she "hates."

Megan's comments reveal her as narrow-minded, breathtakingly arrogant, anti-social and bordering on the misanthropic. It's a shame that the opportunities she appears to have had to travel widely have been wasted on someone incapable of taking anything from the experience. If she feels that way about travel, I wonder what she feels about literature.

How did I end up on the Libertarian circuit anyway? I am quite the bleeding heart; I give change to homeless people and play team sports and volunteer in a community garden and shit. It's like I've fallen in with a bad crowd, just 'cause they're all funny and cool. Marginal Revolution is totally a gateway drug.

UPDATE 8/30: One more from Catallarchy.
Granted I'm detached, contemptuous, pedantic and smug, but you say it like that's a bad thing! And yes I'm an insufferable, pleased-with-himself libertarian but I console myself with that fact that I'm not still whining about the sixth grade and I'm confident I'm doing better in the sack than the author.
Ten bucks says he's right.

27 Comments:

Blogger Megan said...

No bashing other sites! Amber seems like a smart, cool girl. No complimenting me!

That's all.

10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually when I read MR comments I am regularly surprised how few of our readers are libertarian. Although the ones who write you -- youngish single males I would think -- may be disproportionately libertarian...
Tyler Cowen

10:29 AM  
Anonymous UnderwearNinja said...

A) That's awesome that I'm no longer imaginary

B) People only post here for the possibility of seeing/readingabout boobs, so could you maybe quit with all the smarty pants talk and just make with the boob talk?

C) Anyone who says differently is clearly a liar.

10:44 AM  
Anonymous Tim said...

*chuckle*

Well, Megan, give up this facade right now. They've pinned you. "Narrow-minded, breathtakingly arrogant, anti-social and bordering on the misanthropic," that's always been my first thought about you. Right after sweetness and light, of course.

I'm not a hater. I'm a pitier. I do pity those bitter hardcore objectivists and libertarians. I'm sure that there are happy, vivacious, and cool objectivists, but they are few and far between. They really should choose a philosophy that is a path to happiness for themselves and those around them. I mean unless they are planning on following John Galt off to utopia, or maybe Jennifer Shafri off to Sanctuary.

Hugs and kisses to all those Libertarians and Objectivists,
Tim.

10:49 AM  
Blogger billo said...

sorry, could someone please help. Is "libertarian" what we on this side of the pond call a conservative?

Tyler: "Actually when I read MR comments I am regularly surprised how few of our readers are libertarian"

Hurrah! there's till hope for Amrika.

Gosh, there's nothing more depressing than hearing you defend yourself Megan. (if I've totally misunderstood this thread then apologies)

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Tim said...

Libertarians are our furthest right party. They believe in a super-minimal state which just provides the necessary services and otherwise bothers the citizens the least. And, bothers businesses not at all.

Oh yeah, and the government would provide very little service as well. And no social safety net. No health care, etc...

When it comes to _our_ conservatives, I think that you have nothing like them on your side of the pond.

Count yourself lucky!

Cheers,
Tim.

12:11 PM  
Blogger Ananda said...

A libertarian is what Brits call, or used to call, a liberal.

12:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait, I like to consider myself the cold hearted libertarian type, and I play team sports. I don't see how participating in team sports makes you a bleeding heart? I don't think Libertarians or Conservatives tend to be the unfriendly, individualists you seem to be saying they are. I'm sure there are some like that, but I don't know that it's the norm.

Justin

12:23 PM  
Blogger Megan said...

I'm sure playing team sports and being libertarian aren't exclusive. I was just trying to capture my "we're all in this together" attitude.

12:44 PM  
Blogger billo said...

Thanks Tim. Er...yes, we do have some bearded nutters here who are far more extreme than your conservatives but not too many, thankfully. But, alas, far too many neo-liberals.

Generally, we're usually at least about 20 years behind you guys in everything (except tea and cricket) so there's still hope that the evanegelical movement won't take off here. The Anglicans are so much more civilised and the churches so much more peaceful without any human beings in them!

Justin, you've now thoroughly confused me. Libertarians believe in the free mkt, minimal state, individualism, right? Don't your conservatives believe in family values, community , etc? so how are they the same people??

Sod this, where's that fabled discussion of breasts?

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It usually goes heartless Conservatives, bleeding heart Liberals. But, in this case she's talking about heartless Libertarians, and bleeding heart her. Depending on who you're talking to Conservatives and Libertarians get lumped together. Not properly so, I'd agree, but that's how it is.

Justin

1:26 PM  
Blogger Ananda said...

and otherwise bothers the citizens the least. And, bothers businesses not at all.

Right, cuz businesses aren't citizens, no way no how. In America, when you start a business, or decide to work for one, you actually become a bizarre cyborg-like construct, in a horrifying process (perfected through a long and inhumane series of live tests on racial minorities and gays) designed to drive home the point that businesses aren't actually just groups of people working together in a communal way for a common purpose. No, no, we can't have people thinking that.

Libertarians believe in the free mkt, minimal state, individualism, right? Don't your conservatives believe in family values, community , etc? so how are they the same people??

Similarly, as this comment points out, it's really important to recognize that once you start believing things like "government schools don't really work very well", there's a law saying that you have to immediately renounce all your family connections. (Sometimes you can keep your immediate family, if you backpedal and endorse just a voucher scheme or something.) Also, if you believe something like "the government has no business telling adults what chemicals they may ingest", you're strictly forbidden from EVER attending a fall carnival or -- worse -- a YARD SALE. And, if you're ever caught at one, you're put in the stocks until you admit that mohair subsidies and government-paid-for breast implants are a crucial part of the global supereconomy. It's really important that people recognize the stark philosophical choices they face.

1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, depending on who you're talking to, Libertarians and Liberals get lumped together at times too. I guess what it really comes down to is Liberals and Conservatives neither like Libertarians. That's why we're so cool.

Justin

1:29 PM  
Blogger Megan said...

Ananda, how does he set you off like that?

I swear, all of you, every time, before you compose a long serious post and then an indignant reply, think very carefully to yourself. Ask yourself,

"will this response help Megan get laid?",
or
"am I making fun of someone in an interesting way?"
or
"if I were Megan's hot engineer boyfriend, would she be rolling her eyes at an interminable theoretical discussion or blowing me for getting something accomplished?"

I don't want to put a paragraph limit on your comments, because some of you have shown that you can have long and funny posts. But if you really, truly burn to have long, sincere discussions of socioeconomic conditions and political theory, do it over at Unfogged.

1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahh, Megan, if you keep chastising us like that I'm gonna cry. Then all the other rock climbers are gonna make fun of me. Screw it, I'm going home to play with my stuffed animals.

Justin

1:48 PM  
Blogger Bob V said...

Libertarians are our furthest right party.

And they are our furthest left party believing in the legalization of drugs, abolition of the death penalty, in addition to abortion rights and an expansion of civil liberties. (And they would have voted against the present war that many of the "liberals" voted for.)

No offense, but I think one of the most reliable way to figure out what someone believes is to ask them what pisses them off about libertarians.

I hope this is short enough to still leave open the possibility than Megan gets laid by someone at some point:
Libertianism doesn't have to be about embitterment or objectivism. It's just an attempt to extend individual freedom to all aspects of life where it is reasonable to do so. I think a read of marginal revolution shows that it's not all that whack.

2:08 PM  
Anonymous jens said...

you only keep about half us guys on track.

The ones who can be funny are the ones that like your rack.

Those of us pontificating like a right-or-left-wing nut

Are those of us left waiting to hear more about your butt!

3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bah, again, breasts and butts aren't fun to hear about. They're only fun to look at and touch. Hearing about them, in a blog, is like boring, non-interactive cyber sex at work.

Justin

3:21 PM  
Blogger Ananda said...

My bad. I figured this post was an exception given its topic and the other comments. But knowing that libertarians aren't opposed to the values of community and society could help your chances of getting laid, if you've been writing us all off because of a suspicion that we're all Randroids. As for making fun of someone in an interesting way, well, that was the best I could do, so I suppose I am not that good at making fun of people. I am the king of the midnight comeback.

4:00 PM  
Blogger Megan said...

Ananda,
Your one-liners are great. You've often made me laugh. And really, that's what this is about.

4:18 PM  
Anonymous Mitch said...

Ananda:
One of the things I love about the internet is that when you think of the midnight comeback you can go and add it to the comments. Or post it on your own blog.

Practice is surely the best way to get better at making fun of people, so by all means keep on bringing it.

4:19 PM  
Anonymous hamilton said...

Sometimes you sound kinda short-tempered. You seem a little bitchy. But it is much more interesting to read somebody with opinions than somebody without them.

I think that's how you ended up on the Libertarian circuit. It's not that they (read: we) agree with you, or even that we may like what you have to say very much, but that you say it with a bit of gusto. We're kinda accustomed to saying things with gusto that other people (read: almost ALL other people) don't agree with, so we appreciate this quality when we see it.

[Then, of course, a bunch of us go and badmouth about you on the Interweb. But we're a bad crowd; what can you expect?]

6:33 PM  
Blogger Megan said...

I'll check in with people who know me for real, but if I am coming across as short-tempered and bitchy than I am not conveying my entire self at all. Seriously, I am virtually always good-natured and chill. I'll watch my tone.

6:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pfft, we're way more real than the people who actually know you. Shouldn't you be more concerned with first the first impression you leave on someone than what your friends think of you? Of course you're going to get biased information from them.

Anyway, not knowing anything about you, you come off pretty nice, I think. Not bitchy, except that one thing about the guy who asked for your picture. Other than that though, you take whatever people want to say very well.

Justin

9:37 PM  
Blogger amanda bee said...

I've actually found myself needing to give a rough overview of how libertarians fit because I do this travelling road show about how to make your point without breaking the bank (aka how to use Flickr and YouTube and GoogleMaps if you can't afford a programmer and you don't understand this HTML stuff) and one of the cleanest examples of a google map used for advocacy is at the Cato Institute, a libertarian thinktank. It is a map of botched police raids" and it is quite well done. But showing it to folks means showing the the Cato Institute and I'm always torn about whether to bother explaining to a bunch of people who are usually not even North Americans to begin with that I'm not saying that the Cato Institute is great, just that the map is great and not so hard to do. Since many times I am doing presentations for people looking to tell roughly the same story (the police in ______ say they don't _______, the human rights activists say they do and they want help getting the world to take notice ...) it is a really good example to show.

So I sort of like this lightweight back and forth here. I can't bring myself to read the real debates, I want the witty cliff notes. I don't care about libertarians that much until I wind up at dinner with four anarchists and a libertarian and the libertarian doesn't understand why he is different. And by the end of dinner I'm amused and done caring all over again.

6:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, I don't know Justin, hearing about that big tit, Ananda, can be quite good fun.

8:28 AM  
Blogger jdm said...

Falling in with Sausa-- I mean, Libertarian Party is the best thing that could happen to your chances. Of course, the goods are odd, as they say.

8:44 AM  

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