It's funny, you're a positive thinker but you keep bringing up apocalyptic outcomes in your discussions. Either you think they're really likely or ... you enjoy the possibility that people might have to deal with the consequences of their actions in a dramatic way that will show them that you were right all along.
[Third possibility is that it makes from dramatic blogging - it is definitely entertaining for me]
Interesting read. I commented on the other blog though, that I have no information that the colorado supplies Denver Metro or anything east of the Divide. I searched around a fair amount and found nothing. There have been proposals to do that, but they have always been voted down, because it would be very expensive [$5Bil] and probably by the time complete there would be a call from the lower basin, and the flow shut off...
I think maybe National Geographic is wrong on that count, but I'm not an expert, so maybe it's me...
Doesn't change the fact that there isn't enough water to grow forever...
While Dillon Reservoir is on the Blue rather than the Colorado, it is in the same watershed. Water that gets piped over from there doesn't go to the Gulf of California. The controversy that you remember was over whether to run pipes from considerably farther west. (I'm thinking that they wanted to put the collection point past Glenwood Springs.)
Some background: the state of Colorado takes much less water than it is "entitled" to under the original agreements. CA and NV are lucky that it would be so impractical to take any more.
mmm, Thanks Jess... I had forgotten about the basin the Blue was in... So... if I catch a snowflake on my tongue while I am west ofthe divide, will it be mine? Does it belong to Megan instead? [rhetorical]
This is California. After running a moderately health economy for the last several years, our Governor suddenly finds himself facing a $14 billion shortfall.
Apocalyptic is too mild. I dunno about you but I'm Armageddon out of here.
On one hand, we are where we are because of our ability to change the reality of our environment (irrigation, flood controls, landfill come to mind, and using energy to change conditions as well, like light and heat/cooling). So it's understandably hard to convince people that we now need to change our behavior instead of changing "reality" as we have in the past. We have a long history of changing "reality" to suit our needs/wants.
Or maybe that history is more industrial-age/modern, and in reality what's needed is instead to adapt our actions to meet the environment -- something modern day americans are pretty damn stubborn about -- something that predates the modern "change our environment" practices that have gotten us into this trouble.
It seems like adaptations humans are making now are more attuned to social realities, not physical. And that does smell like trouble.
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It's funny, you're a positive thinker but you keep bringing up apocalyptic outcomes in your discussions. Either you think they're really likely or ... you enjoy the possibility that people might have to deal with the consequences of their actions in a dramatic way that will show them that you were right all along.
[Third possibility is that it makes from dramatic blogging - it is definitely entertaining for me]
Probably mostly "show them that I was right all along".
I really enjoy laforet's images.
Interesting read. I commented on the other blog though, that I have no information that the colorado supplies Denver Metro or anything east of the Divide. I searched around a fair amount and found nothing. There have been proposals to do that, but they have always been voted down, because it would be very expensive [$5Bil] and probably by the time complete there would be a call from the lower basin, and the flow shut off...
I think maybe National Geographic is wrong on that count, but I'm not an expert, so maybe it's me...
Doesn't change the fact that there isn't enough water to grow forever...
swiss:
While Dillon Reservoir is on the Blue rather than the Colorado, it is in the same watershed. Water that gets piped over from there doesn't go to the Gulf of California. The controversy that you remember was over whether to run pipes from considerably farther west. (I'm thinking that they wanted to put the collection point past Glenwood Springs.)
Some background: the state of Colorado takes much less water than it is "entitled" to under the original agreements. CA and NV are lucky that it would be so impractical to take any more.
mmm, Thanks Jess... I had forgotten about the basin the Blue was in... So... if I catch a snowflake on my tongue while I am west ofthe divide, will it be mine? Does it belong to Megan instead? [rhetorical]
This is California. After running a moderately health economy for the last several years, our Governor suddenly finds himself facing a $14 billion shortfall.
Apocalyptic is too mild. I dunno about you but I'm Armageddon out of here.
[ducks, runs.]
On one hand, we are where we are because of our ability to change the reality of our environment (irrigation, flood controls, landfill come to mind, and using energy to change conditions as well, like light and heat/cooling). So it's understandably hard to convince people that we now need to change our behavior instead of changing "reality" as we have in the past. We have a long history of changing "reality" to suit our needs/wants.
Or maybe that history is more industrial-age/modern, and in reality what's needed is instead to adapt our actions to meet the environment -- something modern day americans are pretty damn stubborn about -- something that predates the modern "change our environment" practices that have gotten us into this trouble.
It seems like adaptations humans are making now are more attuned to social realities, not physical. And that does smell like trouble.
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